{"id":38,"date":"2008-11-27T15:07:27","date_gmt":"2008-11-27T14:07:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/medical-ethics\/?p=38"},"modified":"2008-11-27T15:07:27","modified_gmt":"2008-11-27T14:07:27","slug":"fit-notes-undecaffeinated-coffee","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/medical-ethics\/2008\/11\/27\/fit-notes-undecaffeinated-coffee\/","title":{"rendered":"Fit notes?  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