{"id":840,"date":"2009-10-12T10:10:12","date_gmt":"2009-10-12T09:10:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/bmj\/?p=840"},"modified":"2010-10-08T14:04:58","modified_gmt":"2010-10-08T13:04:58","slug":"oliver-ellis-on-ivory-towers-and-elevator-music","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/bmj\/2009\/10\/12\/oliver-ellis-on-ivory-towers-and-elevator-music\/","title":{"rendered":"Oliver Ellis on ivory towers and elevator music"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" style=\"float: left\" src=\"http:\/\/www.bmj.com\/channels\/icons\/oliverellis.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"160\" height=\"110\" \/> I had the good fortune to attend the Don and Dusted debate at the <a title=\"British Library\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bl.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\">British Library<\/a> on Wednesday (9 October). Up for debate was whether traditional scholarly work, where dons have wide academic freedom to do more or less as they please, is being replaced with impact measured and outcome driven research, and whether this is a good thing.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>On the panel were: <a title=\"Mary Beard\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mary_Beard_(classicist)\" target=\"_blank\">Mary Beard<\/a>, professor of classics at <a title=\"Cambridge University\" href=\"http:\/\/www.cam.ac.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\">Cambridge<\/a>; <a title=\"Colin Blakemore\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Colin_Blakemore\" target=\"_blank\">Colin Blakemore<\/a>, professor of neuroscience at <a title=\"Oxford University\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ox.ac.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\">Oxford<\/a> and <a title=\"Warwick\" href=\"http:\/\/www2.warwick.ac.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\">Warwick<\/a>; <a title=\"Colin Lawson\" href=\"http:\/\/www.battleofideas.org.uk\/index.php\/site\/speaker_detail\/41\/\" target=\"_blank\">Colin Lawson<\/a> of the <a title=\"Royal College of Music\" href=\"http:\/\/www.rcm.ac.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\">Royal College of Music<\/a>, <a title=\"Gloria Laycock\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gloria_Laycock\" target=\"_blank\">Gloria Laycock<\/a>, professor of crime science at <a title=\"UCL\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ucl.ac.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\">UCL<\/a>; and <a title=\"David Sweeney\" href=\"http:\/\/www.hefce.ac.uk\/AboutUs\/People\/structure\/sweeney.htm\" target=\"_blank\">David Sweeney<\/a> from the Higher Education Funding Council for England (HEFCE).<\/p>\n<p>I felt quite sorry for David Sweeney, as he tried to explain why he couldn\u2019t just write blank cheques, giving money to academics for them to do with as they will.<\/p>\n<p>Those in the humanities were the worst for it. They dismissed anyone who called for them to be accountable, saying that anyone who asked them to prove that they were delivering value for money were &#8220;bean counters.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>One audience member warned academics against giving the impression that they have a sense of entitlement.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t want to give the impression that I am against speculative research (some of the most important advances in medicine have come out of lines of enquiry that seemed to have little practical value at the time) nor am I suggesting that publicly funded humanities research isn\u2019t a good idea \u2013 it is as important for the soul of society as medicine is for the corporeal bit. But, especially in a recession, we need to be sure we aren\u2019t just throwing money away.<\/p>\n<p>Ultimately the taxpayers are paying the piper, and they will want at least some say as to what is on the playlist. Or at least a guarantee that they aren\u2019t just funding elevator music.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Oliver Ellis<\/strong> is a medical student at Leeds University and BMJ Clegg Scholar.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I had the good fortune to attend the Don and Dusted debate at the British Library on Wednesday (9 October). 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