{"id":898,"date":"2014-03-23T20:30:43","date_gmt":"2014-03-23T19:30:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/?p=898"},"modified":"2014-09-12T11:44:42","modified_gmt":"2014-09-12T10:44:42","slug":"gambling-alcohol-and-division","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/2014\/03\/23\/gambling-alcohol-and-division\/","title":{"rendered":"Gambling, alcohol and division."},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/files\/2014\/03\/030614_1634_Gamblingalc11.jpg\" alt=\"\" align=\"left\" \/><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">No, not an average afternoon at the Houses of Parliament, but another in our diagnostics series.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Moving yourself from looking at the predictive values of the tests as evaluated, to taking this information but using it in the situation you face, is a case of Bayesian mathematics.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Which sounds hard.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">But its absolutely what you do. Take a serum potassium of 7.8 in a baby who you struggled +++ to get some blood out of, every drop taking minutes to leak from its squealing heel. You may re-test, but you&#8217;re unlikely to call ICU on hearing it.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">What if that same value came back from the central line sample from a child on peritoneal dialysis who presented with vague abdominal pain?<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">There is a different &#8216;pre-test probability&#8217; \u2013 expectation \u2013 associated with different clinical settings. The same result has a different &#8216;meaning&#8217; \u2013 chance of being real \u2013 in different settings. However, sensitivity and specificity don&#8217;t change lots across different clinically relevant pre-test probability values. And this leads to the ability to use them to move from a known\/estimated pre-test probability of disease, to a post-test value. This needs the use of the likelihood ratio (LR) and, most often, a nomogram.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/files\/2014\/03\/030614_1634_Gamblingalc21.gif\" alt=\"\" \/><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">(Fagins nomogram; from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.kardiolab.ch\/\">http:\/\/www.kardiolab.ch\/<\/a> )<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">With a ruler, you go from your pre-test probability, through the LR in the centre, to read your post-test probability.<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Likelihood ratios are calculated :<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Likelihood of finding this result with disease \/ Likelihood of finding this result without disease<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<div>\n<table style=\"border-collapse: collapse\" border=\"0\">\n<tbody valign=\"top\">\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" colspan=\"2\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: solid 0.5pt;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Really diseased\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: solid 0.5pt;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Really not diseased\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: solid 0.5pt;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" colspan=\"2\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Test +ve\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">A\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">B\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: solid 0.5pt;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" colspan=\"2\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Test -ve\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">C\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">D\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">So LR for Test+ is :<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Likelihood of finding this result with disease [A\/(A+C)] \/ Likelihood of finding this result without disease [B\/(B+D)]<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">And LR for Test- is :<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Likelihood of finding this result with disease [C\/(A+C)] \/ Likelihood of finding this result without disease [D\/(B+D)]<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Now this also extends to multi-level tests:<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<div>\n<table style=\"border-collapse: collapse\" border=\"0\">\n<tbody valign=\"top\">\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" colspan=\"2\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: solid 0.5pt;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Really diseased\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: solid 0.5pt;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Really not diseased\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: solid 0.5pt;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" colspan=\"2\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">[Rh] &gt;100\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">A\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">B\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: solid 0.5pt;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" colspan=\"2\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">[Rh]50-99<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">C\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">D\u00a0<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: solid 0.5pt;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" colspan=\"2\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">[Rh] &lt;50<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">E<\/span><\/td>\n<td style=\"border-top: none;border-left: none;border-bottom: solid 0.5pt;border-right: solid 0.5pt;padding: 1px 6px 1px 6px\" valign=\"middle\"><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">F<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">The LR for serum rhubarb &gt;100 is:<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Likelihood of finding this result with disease [A\/(A+C+E)] \/ Likelihood of finding this result without disease [B\/(B+D+F)]<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">For [Rh] 50-99<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Lucida Sans\">Likelihood of finding this 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