{"id":846,"date":"2014-02-02T00:43:21","date_gmt":"2014-02-01T23:43:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/?p=846"},"modified":"2014-02-05T00:34:33","modified_gmt":"2014-02-04T23:34:33","slug":"statsminiblog-exact-vs-approximate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/2014\/02\/02\/statsminiblog-exact-vs-approximate\/","title":{"rendered":"StatsMiniBlog: Exact vs. approximate"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/files\/2014\/02\/20140204-233354.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/files\/2014\/02\/20140204-233354.jpg\" alt=\"20140204-233354.jpg\" class=\"alignnone size-full\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>You may well come across descriptions in the stats parts of papers that describe how the authors have derived their confidence intervals using an exact method.<\/p>\n<p>Sounds very good, doesn&#8217;t it? Precise to the most precicestness.<\/p>\n<p>And yet &#8230; sometimes an approximate confidence interval is better. You see, it all means what &#8216;exact&#8217; exactly refers to &#8230;<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>The descriptions usually arise from a proportion; the number of patients with an outcome out of the total number of patients;<\/p>\n<p>n \/ N<\/p>\n<p>Now if the outcome happened to 10 patients, and there were 100 in the trial, this would lead to the proportion being:<\/p>\n<p>10 \/ 100 = 0.1<\/p>\n<p>The usual method of calculating CI is to find the standard error, and then go 1.96 up and down from the mean. When numbers get small (N=50 usually) this type of CI (called a\u00a0<em>Wald approximation<\/em>) tends to be way too small, and runs into other problems, if the number of events (n) is tiny or nearly as big as N, so the proportion is ~0 or ~1, this approach leads to impossible confidence intervals, with negative proportions or proportions greater than 1. (And while we all know the boys gave 1.1 during the match &#8230;.)<\/p>\n<p>An &#8216;exact&#8217; confidence interval estimates what the &#8216;true&#8217; proportion of patients with the outcome would be, if you had repeated trials, by assuming that the outcomes will follow a binomial distribution. Now this is much much better, but if the trial you are calculating the CI from is small (N small) then the CI is actually way too big.<\/p>\n<p>What you&#8217;re actually wanting is not the &#8216;exact&#8217; method, but something that approximates the truth a bit closer than either (the\u00a0<em>Wilson\u00a0<\/em> or\u00a0<em>Agresti-Coull\u00a0<\/em>method). 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