{"id":1260,"date":"2016-03-02T21:01:21","date_gmt":"2016-03-02T20:01:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/?p=1260"},"modified":"2016-03-30T09:53:02","modified_gmt":"2016-03-30T08:53:02","slug":"how-often-can-you-cry-wolf","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/2016\/03\/02\/how-often-can-you-cry-wolf\/","title":{"rendered":"How often can you cry &#8220;Wolf&#8221;?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/6\/67\/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf_-_Project_Gutenberg_etext_19994.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/6\/67\/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf_-_Project_Gutenberg_etext_19994.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"119\" height=\"200\" \/><\/a>The fable of the bored shepherd boy, alone on a hillside (except for the sheep &#8211; sheep don&#8217;t count as company*) waiting for something to happen, is one that I hope most of us know and can recount if needed at any dinner table.<\/p>\n<p>In my folk-recollections of the tale, it&#8217;s three times that the lad calls &#8220;Wolf!&#8221;. Twice he gets the thrill of a village-load of yokels pounding out to his hillside vantage point, and it&#8217;s the third &#8211; truthful\u00a0&#8211; one that everyone ignores and the sheep get gobbled up.<\/p>\n<p>How many times can we call &#8220;Wolf!&#8221; on a ward and get away with it? Or &#8211; how good does a PEWS need to be before we&#8217;ll think it&#8217;s useful?<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>The shepherd&#8217;s actually pretty damned good. A 33% hit rate would be considered remarkable by most folk wanting an alert about a life-threatening condition. What would be the acceptable lower limit though?<\/p>\n<p>Is 25% good enough<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; 20%?<\/p>\n<p>&#8212; 10%?<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;- 5%?<\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212; 2%?<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s a recent paper that <a href=\"http:\/\/adc.bmj.com\/content\/early\/2016\/02\/17\/archdischild-2015-308465.short\">evaluates the NHS-PEWSIII <\/a>in a cohort of patients in Wales\u00a0and gets a 2% positive predictive value. Combine this with the <a href=\"http:\/\/adc.bmj.com\/content\/101\/1\/109.extract\">recent evidence summary<\/a> on PEWS-like systems and you&#8217;re in a bit of a dilemma &#8211; if it seems to work but is terribly tiring, how can it\u00a0really work in real wards?<\/p>\n<p>(There&#8217;s a similar issue with referrals with lymphadenopathy in particular for suspected lymphoma, with the &#8220;two week wait&#8221; systems being shown repeatedly [<a href=\"http:\/\/adc.bmj.com\/content\/97\/7\/674.extract\">1<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/adc.bmj.com\/content\/100\/9\/900.extract\">2<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/adc.bmj.com\/content\/100\/11\/1098.extract\">3<\/a>] to have a very low positive predictive value. In this instance, the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nice.org.uk\/guidance\/ng12\">NICE guideline<\/a> states explicitly than in adults it&#8217;s working with a 2% threshold and that in children it should\u00a0be considerably lower.)<\/p>\n<p>What is the right way to think about induced\u00a0complacency vs. the value of an early warning system? Is the issue just because of scarse resource, or something else?<\/p>\n<p>How many times can we call &#8220;Wolf!&#8221;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Archi<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>* Except in Yorkshire, North\u00a0Wales, and New Zealand, obviously.<!--TrendMD v2.4.8--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The fable of the bored shepherd boy, alone on a hillside (except for the sheep &#8211; sheep don&#8217;t count as company*) waiting for something to happen, is one that I hope most of us know and can recount if needed at any dinner table. 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