{"id":1166,"date":"2015-09-29T20:55:56","date_gmt":"2015-09-29T19:55:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/?p=1166"},"modified":"2015-09-16T15:52:02","modified_gmt":"2015-09-16T14:52:02","slug":"evidence-free-yet-evidence-based-guidelines-again","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/2015\/09\/29\/evidence-free-yet-evidence-based-guidelines-again\/","title":{"rendered":"Evidence free yet evidence based; guidelines again."},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/theeerin\/2211526355\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-1167\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/files\/2015\/09\/2211526355_d11a0e29be_m.jpg\" alt=\"2211526355_d11a0e29be_m\" width=\"240\" height=\"144\" \/><\/a>In a<a href=\"http:\/\/sss.sagepub.com\/content\/early\/2013\/05\/15\/0306312713483679.full.pdf\"> paper that I&#8217;d have never seen<\/a> if it wasn&#8217;t for Twitter,\u00a0Loes Knaapen of the Universit\u00e9 de Montr\u00e9al Public Health Research Institute reports the scholarly musings on a bunch of conversations with &#8216;EBM&#8217; guideline developers, attendance at conference events, and a lot of reading around the subject of Guideline Creation. At the heart of these musings is the dilemma<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>\u2018how to address the challenges of providing evidence-based advice to address questions for which the evidence is lacking, of poor quality, immature or incomplete\u2019<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;ve written here often about the<a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/2010\/08\/16\/unknowns-known-unknown-and-uncertain\/\"> nature of not-knowing<\/a>, the challenges of <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/2010\/06\/13\/squiggly-lines-and-tea-leaves\/\">uncertainty<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/2013\/08\/28\/where-does-ebm-go-without-e\/\">what can we do in the absence of The Answer<\/a>. The key elements that emerge are about how Evidence (capital E,\u00a0the reports of the sciency trials and the like) interacts with non-Evidence (judgement, relevance and the like) to try to knit something that can transparently\u00a0return and answer to the questions asked &#8220;in the gaps&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>The Evidence is defined by <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/2014\/11\/03\/the-crumbling-of-the-pyramid-of-evidence\/\">the hierarchy <\/a>and it&#8217;s variants, but this itself has elements of &#8216;faith&#8217; rather than objective judgement. The selection process for\u00a0Evidence include relevance, as decided by the stakeholders and developers;\u00a0biological and pathophysiological thinking; the choice of the PICO to ask, and we&#8217;ve discussed before the <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/2010\/03\/10\/what-would-jack-want\/\">lack of patient involvement in <\/a>this, frequently; administrative and practical contexts, like drug licensing or availability of roles. This is then filtered by considering ethical aspects of the recommendation, expertise and existing practice. Some of this is captured if you consider <a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.bmj.com\/adc\/2013\/04\/03\/grade-it\/\">the GRADE system<\/a>, some of it remains rather elusive.<\/p>\n<p>How this helps us in practice is, I think, fairly fundamental. 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