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	<title>Comments on: Frances Dixon on antibiotic misuse</title>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2009/05/11/frances-dixon-on-antibiotic-misuse/#comment-5074</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that I'm guilty of not taking my Rxs exactly right, though never to that guy's ridiculous extent. I have often forgotten to finish a regimen of antibiotics and have been lectured about it many times. I totally agree with Dr Paton about getting pts on-side rather than doctors dicatating from on-high.  that can motivate lots of pts to try to one-up their doctor in order to assert their own power.  There IS definitly a power dynamic in most doc's offices, but I don't really understand why it exists.  like any other business, doctors rely on patients for revenue. in that respect, the patient (client) does wield power.  If I feel that a doctor is throwing Rxs at me without explaining how they work, or at least giving me a pamphlet or website to research it myself, I consider that poor service and I will go elsewhere.  I'd imagine if enough patients left a doctor, or gave him/her a poor review, there would be problems for that doctor. 

 ~c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that I&#8217;m guilty of not taking my Rxs exactly right, though never to that guy&#8217;s ridiculous extent. I have often forgotten to finish a regimen of antibiotics and have been lectured about it many times. I totally agree with Dr Paton about getting pts on-side rather than doctors dicatating from on-high.  that can motivate lots of pts to try to one-up their doctor in order to assert their own power.  There IS definitly a power dynamic in most doc&#8217;s offices, but I don&#8217;t really understand why it exists.  like any other business, doctors rely on patients for revenue. in that respect, the patient (client) does wield power.  If I feel that a doctor is throwing Rxs at me without explaining how they work, or at least giving me a pamphlet or website to research it myself, I consider that poor service and I will go elsewhere.  I&#8217;d imagine if enough patients left a doctor, or gave him/her a poor review, there would be problems for that doctor. </p>
<p> ~c</p>
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		<title>By: Frances Dixon on antibiotic misuse &#124; TOP MEDICAL JOURNALS</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2009/05/11/frances-dixon-on-antibiotic-misuse/#comment-4656</link>
		<dc:creator>Frances Dixon on antibiotic misuse &#124; TOP MEDICAL JOURNALS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lois Paton</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2009/05/11/frances-dixon-on-antibiotic-misuse/#comment-4328</link>
		<dc:creator>Lois Paton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Frances, 

What we see here is a failure of the hospital system to adequately address the needs of the patient.  I have seen this kind of system failure many times in hospital and in general practice.  Did we know about his holiday beforehand?  It sounds like it was pretty important to him, I'm sure he probably told the staff at the hospital.

Could the hospital Dr have contacted his GP for a prescription?
Could someone have listened to the patient about his concerns?
As doctors are we really all supreme and all knowing, or in fact are we fallible?

Getting patients on-side rather than dictating to them what to do often produces the best outcome for all in my experience.  If the patient did not understand why we wanted him to stay in hospital, or what the consequences of leaving were that may be one reason.  Perhaps the holiday was so important to him that he felt he had no choice but to leave regardless of the consequences.  I think most patients are fairly switched on about antibiotic use and misuse these days, but I agree it sounds as if he did not understand the differences between different antibiotics and what their uses are.  That's a pretty complex thing to try to explain to a patient though.

Better hospital-GP interaction may have been the key in this case - getting someone who knows him well to talk things through, although this may have been tricky in itself getting him an appointment and making sure he went etc.  I think we all need to work on improving the primary-secondary interface.

Lois Paton, GP, New Zealand</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Frances, </p>
<p>What we see here is a failure of the hospital system to adequately address the needs of the patient.  I have seen this kind of system failure many times in hospital and in general practice.  Did we know about his holiday beforehand?  It sounds like it was pretty important to him, I&#8217;m sure he probably told the staff at the hospital.</p>
<p>Could the hospital Dr have contacted his GP for a prescription?<br />
Could someone have listened to the patient about his concerns?<br />
As doctors are we really all supreme and all knowing, or in fact are we fallible?</p>
<p>Getting patients on-side rather than dictating to them what to do often produces the best outcome for all in my experience.  If the patient did not understand why we wanted him to stay in hospital, or what the consequences of leaving were that may be one reason.  Perhaps the holiday was so important to him that he felt he had no choice but to leave regardless of the consequences.  I think most patients are fairly switched on about antibiotic use and misuse these days, but I agree it sounds as if he did not understand the differences between different antibiotics and what their uses are.  That&#8217;s a pretty complex thing to try to explain to a patient though.</p>
<p>Better hospital-GP interaction may have been the key in this case - getting someone who knows him well to talk things through, although this may have been tricky in itself getting him an appointment and making sure he went etc.  I think we all need to work on improving the primary-secondary interface.</p>
<p>Lois Paton, GP, New Zealand</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Marshall</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2009/05/11/frances-dixon-on-antibiotic-misuse/#comment-4310</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 22:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was a medical student I thought that doctors gave people access to treatment. But in fact doctors prevent and ration access to treatment. There may be good reasons for this. But if someone simply sees the doctor as an inconvenience and regards their access to what they want as a consumer right it is not surprising that they try to outwit the doctor. It would have helped if he had been given an proper explanation of the need for antibiotics, but that is not usually a priority when someone is hospitalised.

Interestingly the evidence that patients need to complete 5 or 7 day courses of antibiotics for urinary tract infections is very weak. Three days is just as effective. So patients may be wise not to finish the course.

And since most prescribing of antibiotics in the community is for upper respiratory tract infections and almost entirely ineffective it probably is of no consequence that courses were not finished.

Finally MRSA is pretty rare in the community. The best way to avoid it is to stay out of the antibiotic rich environment of ht hospital.

So this surprises me less as I get older....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a medical student I thought that doctors gave people access to treatment. But in fact doctors prevent and ration access to treatment. There may be good reasons for this. But if someone simply sees the doctor as an inconvenience and regards their access to what they want as a consumer right it is not surprising that they try to outwit the doctor. It would have helped if he had been given an proper explanation of the need for antibiotics, but that is not usually a priority when someone is hospitalised.</p>
<p>Interestingly the evidence that patients need to complete 5 or 7 day courses of antibiotics for urinary tract infections is very weak. Three days is just as effective. So patients may be wise not to finish the course.</p>
<p>And since most prescribing of antibiotics in the community is for upper respiratory tract infections and almost entirely ineffective it probably is of no consequence that courses were not finished.</p>
<p>Finally MRSA is pretty rare in the community. The best way to avoid it is to stay out of the antibiotic rich environment of ht hospital.</p>
<p>So this surprises me less as I get older&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Matiram Pun</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2009/05/11/frances-dixon-on-antibiotic-misuse/#comment-4298</link>
		<dc:creator>Matiram Pun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Frances,

It is nice that you brought this into here but from the developing world; we have been seeing a very alarming scenario for the antibiotic misuse. The developing world like Nepal, every drug is the over the counter drug and everybody from all levels are prescribing all kinds of antibitics!!! The patient are also happy if they get the kind of medicine that makes everything Corrected without much waste of time and money! Therefore, it is the choice to prescribe all kinds of antibiotics together and may be without any investigations saving everything and curing over the counter!!!

This is sad!

Best wishes,
mati</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Frances,</p>
<p>It is nice that you brought this into here but from the developing world; we have been seeing a very alarming scenario for the antibiotic misuse. The developing world like Nepal, every drug is the over the counter drug and everybody from all levels are prescribing all kinds of antibitics!!! The patient are also happy if they get the kind of medicine that makes everything Corrected without much waste of time and money! Therefore, it is the choice to prescribe all kinds of antibiotics together and may be without any investigations saving everything and curing over the counter!!!</p>
<p>This is sad!</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
mati</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Struthers (Dr)</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2009/05/11/frances-dixon-on-antibiotic-misuse/#comment-4294</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Struthers (Dr)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 15:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frances,I wonder if you have had any thoughts on why trust in doctors has been slipping away in recent years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frances,I wonder if you have had any thoughts on why trust in doctors has been slipping away in recent years?</p>
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		<title>By: susanne</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2009/05/11/frances-dixon-on-antibiotic-misuse/#comment-4292</link>
		<dc:creator>susanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not so much a rude wake-up call as a rude awakening perhaps</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so much a rude wake-up call as a rude awakening perhaps</p>
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