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		<title>By: Julian Sheather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian Sheather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 16:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been reading through the rich and varied responses to my posting on art and medicine. The question, broadly, was whether exposure to the arts could make someone a better doctor. Some of the responses helped me clarify my thoughts, and exposed some of my less-than-fully articulated assumptions. As Deborah Kirklin says, it is to the human rather than technical challenges of medicine that art is invited to speak. Setting to one side the pleasures that art can hold as an end in itself, we seem to be unable to let go of the possibility that art can also be good for something, that it can serve some higher purpose. 

As Roland Spencer Jones writes, another of my assumptions – and an assumption it will have to remain, as the claim surely lies beyond the reach of proof – is that it is a good thing to be made more human. The last century has seen a sustained intellectual and cultural assault on the idea of the human, where ‘human’ means something like a morally self-regulating individual with a discrete and irreducible essence: the human subject of liberal political theory. The last century has also seen us humans at our most savage and inhumane. My point here was really a straightforward one: that as human beings we can improve morally, albeit slowly, and that in small ways the arts can assist, where improvement means that we are better able to recognise the real needs of others, to recognise that their claims on the world are equal to ours. ‘More’ in this sense just means better. Predictably of course the world is not short of counter-examples. A glimpse at Philip French’s recent biography of VS Naipaul, The World Is What It Is again shows that a great artist can coincide with a questionable human being.

Another theme in the responses is the old problem of the tension between the arts and sciences, the ‘two cultures’ that CP Snow made famous in his 1959 Rede lecture. Many of the respondents suggest that the tension is alive and well at med school and that medicine is in the scientific camp. Jim Moonie, who moved from the arts to medicine clearly feels the divide strongly and suggests, I think, that there is a danger that science alone can dull the senses to the human context of medicine, and, presumably, disfigure the therapeutic encounter. The pity in this is that medicine, so clearly situated at the juncture of the scientific and the human, should be ideally placed to dissolve this outmoded distinction.

One comment that I made that has been picked up in some of the responses relates loosely to the usefulness of a narrative approach to medicine, to the idea that an understanding of the contexts in and through which patients move, and out of which illnesses emerge, can deepen the therapeutic relationship and lead to better outcomes. This is the point at which, perhaps, the strongest claims can be made for the sympathy between certain, narrative based art forms and the practice of medicine. In her fascinating response, Deborah Kirklin goes so far as to describe patients as the doctor’s ‘text’. I have to admit to misgiving at this point. I take it the usage is metaphorical, but I am wary of seeing human beings as a tissue of signs – it is too easy for the human to leach out from among them. Human beings use signs and symbols in complex and fascinating ways, but I am not sure they can be reduced down to them.

In my original posting I made a modest claim for the arts, and, in addition to the enormous pleasure that art has obviously given to so many of the contributors, many share this view. There seems to be agreement that only those already interested in change will take up the possibilities that art can offer. Although this still feels right, even here I would be cautious. Our moral capacities are vulnerable. Put me under too much stress and I lose the ability to empathise. Art may make better doctors, but overwork can undo them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading through the rich and varied responses to my posting on art and medicine. The question, broadly, was whether exposure to the arts could make someone a better doctor. Some of the responses helped me clarify my thoughts, and exposed some of my less-than-fully articulated assumptions. As Deborah Kirklin says, it is to the human rather than technical challenges of medicine that art is invited to speak. Setting to one side the pleasures that art can hold as an end in itself, we seem to be unable to let go of the possibility that art can also be good for something, that it can serve some higher purpose. </p>
<p>As Roland Spencer Jones writes, another of my assumptions – and an assumption it will have to remain, as the claim surely lies beyond the reach of proof – is that it is a good thing to be made more human. The last century has seen a sustained intellectual and cultural assault on the idea of the human, where ‘human’ means something like a morally self-regulating individual with a discrete and irreducible essence: the human subject of liberal political theory. The last century has also seen us humans at our most savage and inhumane. My point here was really a straightforward one: that as human beings we can improve morally, albeit slowly, and that in small ways the arts can assist, where improvement means that we are better able to recognise the real needs of others, to recognise that their claims on the world are equal to ours. ‘More’ in this sense just means better. Predictably of course the world is not short of counter-examples. A glimpse at Philip French’s recent biography of VS Naipaul, The World Is What It Is again shows that a great artist can coincide with a questionable human being.</p>
<p>Another theme in the responses is the old problem of the tension between the arts and sciences, the ‘two cultures’ that CP Snow made famous in his 1959 Rede lecture. Many of the respondents suggest that the tension is alive and well at med school and that medicine is in the scientific camp. Jim Moonie, who moved from the arts to medicine clearly feels the divide strongly and suggests, I think, that there is a danger that science alone can dull the senses to the human context of medicine, and, presumably, disfigure the therapeutic encounter. The pity in this is that medicine, so clearly situated at the juncture of the scientific and the human, should be ideally placed to dissolve this outmoded distinction.</p>
<p>One comment that I made that has been picked up in some of the responses relates loosely to the usefulness of a narrative approach to medicine, to the idea that an understanding of the contexts in and through which patients move, and out of which illnesses emerge, can deepen the therapeutic relationship and lead to better outcomes. This is the point at which, perhaps, the strongest claims can be made for the sympathy between certain, narrative based art forms and the practice of medicine. In her fascinating response, Deborah Kirklin goes so far as to describe patients as the doctor’s ‘text’. I have to admit to misgiving at this point. I take it the usage is metaphorical, but I am wary of seeing human beings as a tissue of signs – it is too easy for the human to leach out from among them. Human beings use signs and symbols in complex and fascinating ways, but I am not sure they can be reduced down to them.</p>
<p>In my original posting I made a modest claim for the arts, and, in addition to the enormous pleasure that art has obviously given to so many of the contributors, many share this view. There seems to be agreement that only those already interested in change will take up the possibilities that art can offer. Although this still feels right, even here I would be cautious. Our moral capacities are vulnerable. Put me under too much stress and I lose the ability to empathise. Art may make better doctors, but overwork can undo them.</p>
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		<title>By: Halldóra Arnardóttir</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2008/05/01/julian-sheather-does-art-make-us-better-doctors/#comment-2390</link>
		<dc:creator>Halldóra Arnardóttir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 15:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It has been very interesting to follow your debate about whether reading a novel, or art in general, can make better doctors. I firmly believe so. This belief, however, is not limited to doctors alone. If one is perceptive towards the artistic expression and ready to make a reflection on its effect, one is, as well, sensitive to the value of different fields of communication and ways of understanding the world.
Saying this, I must confess at this point that I speak as an Art Historian, not as a doctor. As such, I wanted to add another dimension to the discussion. I have been commissioned to organise workshops for Alzheimer patients where the aim is to see if art and cultural expressions can help the scientific investigation in slowing down the progression of this degenerative disease. That is, we are asking artists to join us in the fight, using their experience and approach of working with the language and memory to see if the information it brings can provide facts to the surface about the development of the disease that otherwise would be concealed. During the evolution of the workshops, there is a constant process of evaluations on the part of the doctors, neurologists and psychologists.
	One of the things that art can teach us is to look for links and connections between the past and present, between elements that at first glance seem completely irrelevant. Art arouses the mind to look at different possibilities and value points. In that sense, it is healthy for all of us.
Halldóra Arnardóttir, PhD Art Historian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been very interesting to follow your debate about whether reading a novel, or art in general, can make better doctors. I firmly believe so. This belief, however, is not limited to doctors alone. If one is perceptive towards the artistic expression and ready to make a reflection on its effect, one is, as well, sensitive to the value of different fields of communication and ways of understanding the world.<br />
Saying this, I must confess at this point that I speak as an Art Historian, not as a doctor. As such, I wanted to add another dimension to the discussion. I have been commissioned to organise workshops for Alzheimer patients where the aim is to see if art and cultural expressions can help the scientific investigation in slowing down the progression of this degenerative disease. That is, we are asking artists to join us in the fight, using their experience and approach of working with the language and memory to see if the information it brings can provide facts to the surface about the development of the disease that otherwise would be concealed. During the evolution of the workshops, there is a constant process of evaluations on the part of the doctors, neurologists and psychologists.<br />
	One of the things that art can teach us is to look for links and connections between the past and present, between elements that at first glance seem completely irrelevant. Art arouses the mind to look at different possibilities and value points. In that sense, it is healthy for all of us.<br />
Halldóra Arnardóttir, PhD Art Historian</p>
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		<title>By: GEORGE  CALDWELL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2008/05/01/julian-sheather-does-art-make-us-better-doctors/#comment-2389</link>
		<dc:creator>GEORGE  CALDWELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 02:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If  General Practitioners take three months off to go and sit on a desert island then they should not be General Practitioners or even doctors.

The best way to make "better doctors", more understanding and communicative doctors, is to let the young sprogs out, as of old,  at the end of their Finals Examinations and join a well-regulated partnership of their peers in General Practice.  They will come to no harm, do no or little serious damage and will learn how to communicate with their patients.

This will stand them in good stead in those future years when they will be dragooned back into hospital as cheap labour and an economic unit of the NHS.

Art?  Now what exactly do we mean?  Un-made beds in the middle of a  Gallery?  Music?  Primary School stuff noise that is so popular as "art" with the BBC?  Twanging, groaning and drumming?
Painting?

If you are a busy doctor, and how many can claim to be that today with their shorter working hours and high salaries for doing nothing, you need time for thought and time to think about what you are painting, in oils, poster-colour, etc.
Sculpting?

Come now!
Your patients, and art are going to suffer if you have to break off what you are doing, reluctantly to go out on a call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If  General Practitioners take three months off to go and sit on a desert island then they should not be General Practitioners or even doctors.</p>
<p>The best way to make &#8220;better doctors&#8221;, more understanding and communicative doctors, is to let the young sprogs out, as of old,  at the end of their Finals Examinations and join a well-regulated partnership of their peers in General Practice.  They will come to no harm, do no or little serious damage and will learn how to communicate with their patients.</p>
<p>This will stand them in good stead in those future years when they will be dragooned back into hospital as cheap labour and an economic unit of the NHS.</p>
<p>Art?  Now what exactly do we mean?  Un-made beds in the middle of a  Gallery?  Music?  Primary School stuff noise that is so popular as &#8220;art&#8221; with the BBC?  Twanging, groaning and drumming?<br />
Painting?</p>
<p>If you are a busy doctor, and how many can claim to be that today with their shorter working hours and high salaries for doing nothing, you need time for thought and time to think about what you are painting, in oils, poster-colour, etc.<br />
Sculpting?</p>
<p>Come now!<br />
Your patients, and art are going to suffer if you have to break off what you are doing, reluctantly to go out on a call.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim C Moonie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2008/05/01/julian-sheather-does-art-make-us-better-doctors/#comment-2388</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim C Moonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 10:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was with delight and disbelief, in equal measure, that, less than two weeks after first writing on this blog, I realised my suggestion to introduce intercalated arts degrees to the medical curriculum had already happened. Not only that, it had happened at Bristol, where I trained and not only had it happened, but it had happened two years ago. Good thing then that I was so bored this evening that I happened upon those hallowed pages of Black Bag, the  Bristol University Medical School Journal that I once edited (in the days before it went online) and read an interview with Dr Trevor Thompson, the 'then' new consultant senior lecturer and discovered that my suggestions had become fact. Not only that, they had become fact before I had even suggested them. Such is my power of perception. I feel like Marty McFly in Back to the Future with his copy of an old sporting almanac, or Nostradammus. I can, it seems, predict the future. I could have told you, for example, that the ST system would not be popular and I can tell you that Obama will be the next president of the United States. I can even tell you, so long as you live in the UK and I live in New Zealand, what happens in Neighbours for the next three months and when I next write I'll tell you when the world ends so you'd better watch this space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was with delight and disbelief, in equal measure, that, less than two weeks after first writing on this blog, I realised my suggestion to introduce intercalated arts degrees to the medical curriculum had already happened. Not only that, it had happened at Bristol, where I trained and not only had it happened, but it had happened two years ago. Good thing then that I was so bored this evening that I happened upon those hallowed pages of Black Bag, the  Bristol University Medical School Journal that I once edited (in the days before it went online) and read an interview with Dr Trevor Thompson, the &#8216;then&#8217; new consultant senior lecturer and discovered that my suggestions had become fact. Not only that, they had become fact before I had even suggested them. Such is my power of perception. I feel like Marty McFly in Back to the Future with his copy of an old sporting almanac, or Nostradammus. I can, it seems, predict the future. I could have told you, for example, that the ST system would not be popular and I can tell you that Obama will be the next president of the United States. I can even tell you, so long as you live in the UK and I live in New Zealand, what happens in Neighbours for the next three months and when I next write I&#8217;ll tell you when the world ends so you&#8217;d better watch this space.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Ravi Shankar</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2008/05/01/julian-sheather-does-art-make-us-better-doctors/#comment-2387</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Ravi Shankar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the author that art can be helpful in creating better doctors. In South Asia at present, art does not play an important role in the training orientation of future doctors. In Nepal and most other South Asian countries students enter medical school after twelve years of schooling. It is mandatory that students study science subjects in the last two years of school. Admission to medical school is on the basis of marks obtained in an entrance examination concentrating on the science subjects. Scholastic ability is the only component measured in these examinations and there is no weightage for the ‘soft’ skills. There a few seats reserved for candidates on the basis of their extracurricular achievements but this is just a token. A token interview is conducted by many schools but has no role in candidate selection.
Due to the tremendous academic pressure during the last three or four years of school students stop participating in extracurricular activities and are solely involved in their academic pursuits. The student body at the time of admission to medical school may come from diverse cultural and linguistic backgrounds but are very much alike scholastically. In the west, these days students from a diversity of cultural, social and educational backgrounds are admitted to medical school. This is not the case in Nepal and South Asia.
In South Asia, due to various reasons, among them the British colonial legacy, English is the medium of instruction in medical schools. The majority of the textbooks and other teaching material are from a Western context. The majority of learning takes place in English from a very early age. English medium schools are becoming common in which the various subjects are taught in English and the national language and the mother tongue are only taught as second or third languages. I believe this serves to create a barrier between the English educated elite and their native countrymen.
In Nepal, the undergraduate medical course (MBBS) is of four and half years duration followed by a year of rotating compulsory internship. The basic science subjects are taught during the first two years with regular clinical contact and this is followed by the clinical years of training. I had conducted a voluntary Medical Humanities module for interested students at the Manipal College of Medical Sciences, Pokhara, Nepal. I had used literature and art excerpts, case scenarios and role-plays to explore various aspects of the medical humanities. The module was started following the observation of medical students, faculty members and members of the community of a decline in the humanistic values of doctors and the felt need for a certain amount of teaching of the Medical Humanities (MH).
The module introduced the students to the concept that art and literature can have a role in the training of future doctors. The learning was fun and the participants were free to exercise their creative faculties. Faculty and student participants learned together and explored various aspects of the doctor-patient relationship. Regular feedback was obtained throughout the module and through a focus group discussion with the participants at the end of the module. The participants were of the opinion that the module had helped them to become better doctors and had offered them a perspective about patients which is rarely stressed during medical; training in South Asia.
Hard evidence for the fact that art is helpful in the creation of better doctors was lacking but indirect evidence supports this proposition. The participants of the module have started interacting with patients in a more empathic manner and have begun to consider the patient’s illness in the larger viewpoint of his/her family, community and society according to their clinical supervisors.
In the west there have been studies which have shown that various student characteristics, especially empathy improved after a MH module. We plan to measure participant characteristics including empathy before and after a MH module in the future.
At present the author is conducting a MH module for faculty members, doctors and dentists at the KIST Medical College, Imadol, Lalitpur, Nepal. The module has been well received by the participants.
Thus indirect evidence seems to suggest that art has an important role to play in creating better doctors. Also as stressed by various authors learning is MH is an enjoyable pursuit and does not add to the stress and strain associated with medical school. Medical Educators in South Asia should realize that art and the humanities should be an important part of the curriculum like it is in the west.
Dr. P. Ravi Shankar
Department of Medical Education
KIST Medical College
Imadol, Lalitpur
Nepal.
Phone: 00977-1-5201496
E-mail: ravi.dr.shankar@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the author that art can be helpful in creating better doctors. In South Asia at present, art does not play an important role in the training orientation of future doctors. In Nepal and most other South Asian countries students enter medical school after twelve years of schooling. It is mandatory that students study science subjects in the last two years of school. Admission to medical school is on the basis of marks obtained in an entrance examination concentrating on the science subjects. Scholastic ability is the only component measured in these examinations and there is no weightage for the ‘soft’ skills. There a few seats reserved for candidates on the basis of their extracurricular achievements but this is just a token. A token interview is conducted by many schools but has no role in candidate selection.<br />
Due to the tremendous academic pressure during the last three or four years of school students stop participating in extracurricular activities and are solely involved in their academic pursuits. The student body at the time of admission to medical school may come from diverse cultural and linguistic backgrounds but are very much alike scholastically. In the west, these days students from a diversity of cultural, social and educational backgrounds are admitted to medical school. This is not the case in Nepal and South Asia.<br />
In South Asia, due to various reasons, among them the British colonial legacy, English is the medium of instruction in medical schools. The majority of the textbooks and other teaching material are from a Western context. The majority of learning takes place in English from a very early age. English medium schools are becoming common in which the various subjects are taught in English and the national language and the mother tongue are only taught as second or third languages. I believe this serves to create a barrier between the English educated elite and their native countrymen.<br />
In Nepal, the undergraduate medical course (MBBS) is of four and half years duration followed by a year of rotating compulsory internship. The basic science subjects are taught during the first two years with regular clinical contact and this is followed by the clinical years of training. I had conducted a voluntary Medical Humanities module for interested students at the Manipal College of Medical Sciences, Pokhara, Nepal. I had used literature and art excerpts, case scenarios and role-plays to explore various aspects of the medical humanities. The module was started following the observation of medical students, faculty members and members of the community of a decline in the humanistic values of doctors and the felt need for a certain amount of teaching of the Medical Humanities (MH).<br />
The module introduced the students to the concept that art and literature can have a role in the training of future doctors. The learning was fun and the participants were free to exercise their creative faculties. Faculty and student participants learned together and explored various aspects of the doctor-patient relationship. Regular feedback was obtained throughout the module and through a focus group discussion with the participants at the end of the module. The participants were of the opinion that the module had helped them to become better doctors and had offered them a perspective about patients which is rarely stressed during medical; training in South Asia.<br />
Hard evidence for the fact that art is helpful in the creation of better doctors was lacking but indirect evidence supports this proposition. The participants of the module have started interacting with patients in a more empathic manner and have begun to consider the patient’s illness in the larger viewpoint of his/her family, community and society according to their clinical supervisors.<br />
In the west there have been studies which have shown that various student characteristics, especially empathy improved after a MH module. We plan to measure participant characteristics including empathy before and after a MH module in the future.<br />
At present the author is conducting a MH module for faculty members, doctors and dentists at the KIST Medical College, Imadol, Lalitpur, Nepal. The module has been well received by the participants.<br />
Thus indirect evidence seems to suggest that art has an important role to play in creating better doctors. Also as stressed by various authors learning is MH is an enjoyable pursuit and does not add to the stress and strain associated with medical school. Medical Educators in South Asia should realize that art and the humanities should be an important part of the curriculum like it is in the west.<br />
Dr. P. Ravi Shankar<br />
Department of Medical Education<br />
KIST Medical College<br />
Imadol, Lalitpur<br />
Nepal.<br />
Phone: 00977-1-5201496<br />
E-mail: <a href="mailto:ravi.dr.shankar@gmail.com">ravi.dr.shankar@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: marvin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2008/05/01/julian-sheather-does-art-make-us-better-doctors/#comment-2385</link>
		<dc:creator>marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would propose that writing (rather than reading) about the human experience and emotions may be a more important way to increase compassion and make us better doctors.We write clinically every day, but our humanity is expressed when we can expand to how we feel about our experiences.

Absolutely right!

____________________
Marvin

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would propose that writing (rather than reading) about the human experience and emotions may be a more important way to increase compassion and make us better doctors.We write clinically every day, but our humanity is expressed when we can expand to how we feel about our experiences.</p>
<p>Absolutely right!</p>
<p>____________________<br />
Marvin</p>
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		<title>By: Dare Oladokun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dare Oladokun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do believe art can make better doctors but it is quite limited in terms of improving moral skills or making a person more humane as it depends on how a person interprets the art in the first place and the interpretation is further dependent on an individuals schema and worldview. Seeing the world in another person's eyes does not make us act in the same way as them.

However, art can make better doctors in terms of problem solving ability and thinking skills. A common attribute of great doctors and scientists is a special dimension of thinking and great problem solving abilities. Often in medicine, diagnosis and treatment can be simple but sometimes the odd case comes along that challenges our aptitude and intelligence. Most people will agree that such cases sometimes require lateral thinking. in other word, thinking outside the box. However, you don't always have to think outside the box if your box is big and rich enough in the first place and this is where art comes in.

Many medical students and clinicians concentrate on updating their knowledge in science and medicine alone without considering other fields and areas. This basically gives limited resources to solve problems as they have similar arrows in their quiver and there is less variety in their approaches to problems. by indulging in art and other areas, doctors can become better as they become more creative and imaginative. These are important requirements for real ingenuity.

Atul Gawande, in his book 'better ', talked about a doctor who got the idea for the stereostethoscope while listening to a church choir. I doubt if years of trawling through medical journals could have given him such an ingenious idea. Art including reading engages the mind and make us think in alternate ways. This, I believe is one great contribution that art can make to medicine in addition to the fact that it is therapeutic and enjoyable. At the end of the day, we don't lose anything by indulging ourselves in art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do believe art can make better doctors but it is quite limited in terms of improving moral skills or making a person more humane as it depends on how a person interprets the art in the first place and the interpretation is further dependent on an individuals schema and worldview. Seeing the world in another person&#8217;s eyes does not make us act in the same way as them.</p>
<p>However, art can make better doctors in terms of problem solving ability and thinking skills. A common attribute of great doctors and scientists is a special dimension of thinking and great problem solving abilities. Often in medicine, diagnosis and treatment can be simple but sometimes the odd case comes along that challenges our aptitude and intelligence. Most people will agree that such cases sometimes require lateral thinking. in other word, thinking outside the box. However, you don&#8217;t always have to think outside the box if your box is big and rich enough in the first place and this is where art comes in.</p>
<p>Many medical students and clinicians concentrate on updating their knowledge in science and medicine alone without considering other fields and areas. This basically gives limited resources to solve problems as they have similar arrows in their quiver and there is less variety in their approaches to problems. by indulging in art and other areas, doctors can become better as they become more creative and imaginative. These are important requirements for real ingenuity.</p>
<p>Atul Gawande, in his book &#8216;better &#8216;, talked about a doctor who got the idea for the stereostethoscope while listening to a church choir. I doubt if years of trawling through medical journals could have given him such an ingenious idea. Art including reading engages the mind and make us think in alternate ways. This, I believe is one great contribution that art can make to medicine in addition to the fact that it is therapeutic and enjoyable. At the end of the day, we don&#8217;t lose anything by indulging ourselves in art.</p>
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		<title>By: rebecca evanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>rebecca evanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 19:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is impossible to say yes or no to this - because it depends on the availability of the individual to think they can improve by engaging with non medical discourses. I am a Paediatrician who went part time to complete a BA in Fine Arts and found that whilst trying to use art to avoid medicine or provide an alternative to medicine I constantly cam back to using medicine in my work.

The core of my work turned to 'The Gaze' - this is constantly debated in art circles because the 'seeing' is recognised as central to engaging with art. 'The Gaze' is also central to medicine - not just the seeing but the listening, examining, palpating, history taking, imaging, dissecting, healing etc- all of these are the medical gaze. I ended up writing my thesis about the medical gaze - how technology allows us to distance ourselves from the direct gaze but what we see is more invasive.

The term' the gaze' which is so central to medical disciplines remain an unrecognised term in medical fields.

Foucault is a great read for any Doctor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is impossible to say yes or no to this - because it depends on the availability of the individual to think they can improve by engaging with non medical discourses. I am a Paediatrician who went part time to complete a BA in Fine Arts and found that whilst trying to use art to avoid medicine or provide an alternative to medicine I constantly cam back to using medicine in my work.</p>
<p>The core of my work turned to &#8216;The Gaze&#8217; - this is constantly debated in art circles because the &#8217;seeing&#8217; is recognised as central to engaging with art. &#8216;The Gaze&#8217; is also central to medicine - not just the seeing but the listening, examining, palpating, history taking, imaging, dissecting, healing etc- all of these are the medical gaze. I ended up writing my thesis about the medical gaze - how technology allows us to distance ourselves from the direct gaze but what we see is more invasive.</p>
<p>The term&#8217; the gaze&#8217; which is so central to medical disciplines remain an unrecognised term in medical fields.</p>
<p>Foucault is a great read for any Doctor.</p>
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		<title>By: Haya Rubin</title>
		<link>http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2008/05/01/julian-sheather-does-art-make-us-better-doctors/#comment-2384</link>
		<dc:creator>Haya Rubin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 23:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Deborah Kirklin. I have heard that Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch in the 19th century, one of the founders of the Modern Orthodox denomination of Judaism, expressed his point of view that morality could be derived from a love of order in nature. How clearly the Nazis, with their order of "Aryan" purity and looks to define what is human, proved him wrong.  Although a liberal arts education may help me be a better physician, art alone will not help to make me more humane, nor to see the universal spark in everyone. In some cases, as one's artistic sensibilities evolve, it may even present a barrier between the physician and those perceived to be ugly or ignorant.  Hence the pathologist at Auschwitz featured in sociologist Fred Katz's fine book, "Ordinary People, Extraordinary Evil," who after killing people in the morning, enjoyed fine classical music concert at noontime.

A liberal arts education may breed snobbery and disrespect for others, just as it may breed universalism and love of others.  It is an empirical question how often it does which.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Deborah Kirklin. I have heard that Rabbi Samson Raphael Hirsch in the 19th century, one of the founders of the Modern Orthodox denomination of Judaism, expressed his point of view that morality could be derived from a love of order in nature. How clearly the Nazis, with their order of &#8220;Aryan&#8221; purity and looks to define what is human, proved him wrong.  Although a liberal arts education may help me be a better physician, art alone will not help to make me more humane, nor to see the universal spark in everyone. In some cases, as one&#8217;s artistic sensibilities evolve, it may even present a barrier between the physician and those perceived to be ugly or ignorant.  Hence the pathologist at Auschwitz featured in sociologist Fred Katz&#8217;s fine book, &#8220;Ordinary People, Extraordinary Evil,&#8221; who after killing people in the morning, enjoyed fine classical music concert at noontime.</p>
<p>A liberal arts education may breed snobbery and disrespect for others, just as it may breed universalism and love of others.  It is an empirical question how often it does which.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Kano, MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane Kano, MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would propose that writing (rather than reading) about the human experience and emotions may be a more important way to increase compassion and make us better doctors.We write clinically every day, but our humanity is expressed when we can expand to how we feel about our experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would propose that writing (rather than reading) about the human experience and emotions may be a more important way to increase compassion and make us better doctors.We write clinically every day, but our humanity is expressed when we can expand to how we feel about our experiences.</p>
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